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## Known Instances
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-* BBC (see also [talk online](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8TK7QG3FjM)
+* BBC - referenced in this talk: [Ownership in a DevOps and InnerSource environment - Tom Sadler (BBC)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8TK7QG3FjM)
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