From 9a23072952073aa731c9b3a55ab5dedab8b2de28 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Klare, Heiko" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 12:48:28 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Meeting notes for Planning Council 2025-12-03 --- wiki/Planning_Council.md | 1 + wiki/Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md | 62 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2 files changed, 63 insertions(+) create mode 100644 wiki/Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md diff --git a/wiki/Planning_Council.md b/wiki/Planning_Council.md index c672411..04ffef9 100644 --- a/wiki/Planning_Council.md +++ b/wiki/Planning_Council.md @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ Telephone Dial in (for higher quality, dial a number based on your curr ### Meeting Minutes + - [2025-12-03](Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md) - [2025-11-05](Planning_Council/2025-11-05.md) - [2025-10-01](Planning_Council/2025-10-01.md) - [2025-09-03](Planning_Council/2025-09-03.md) diff --git a/wiki/Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md b/wiki/Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b6ee6d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/wiki/Planning_Council/2025-12-03.md @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +# 2025-12-03 Meeting Notes + +## Agenda + +- Java 25 in SimRel, see https://github.com/eclipse-simrel/.github/issues/75 +- Follow-up: patching released Eclipse versions +- Working group financial plan 2025 + +## Minutes + +## Release 2025-12 +- Overall good shape +- "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" looks good + +## Follow-Up: Patching Released Eclipse Versions +- Sebastian monitored respin of RC2, which is similar to what would need to be done +- Sebastian talked with Hannes: everything should be in place for it +- Question on whether to use this for fixing non-severe regression + - We should be careful to not pick every regression fix for providing a patch release + - But we could try out the process with a current regression + +## Working Group Financial Plan 2026 +- Working group's financial plan 2026 discussed last week at onsite meeting +- Budget decreases and leads to reduction in possible funding of (release) engineering + - Other areas of investment are also decreased + - Planning council can do nothing about reduced budget but may have to deal with consequences +- Question raised what to be cut first when budget is reduced + - Actual release engineering work does not necessarily decrease + - Only work directly funded by working group as shared effort of companies may decrease +- Planning council will abstain from voting on financial plan due to the higher risk/difficulty it will put on fulfilling goals/duties by reduced budget for (release) engineering + +## Java 25 in SimRel +- https://github.com/eclipse-simrel/.github/issues/75 +- SimRel requirements allow projects to move to next Java LTS 6-9 months after it release + - Will be either 2026-03 or 2026-06 for Java 25 +- Issue: no Temurin release for Windows on ARM (AArch64) yet + - TCK not passed + - Beta builds available that do not pass TCK are available + - Issue already exists for quite some time also with previous Java releases --> unclear when issue may be resolved + - We cannot ship a JDK build that does not pass TCK via JustJ/EPP +- Other JDK 25 builds available for Windows on ARM + - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/java/openjdk/older-releases#openjdk-25 + - https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/#jdk21-windows +- Options + - Drop support for Windows on ARM (e.g., in SWT and EPP products) + - Disallow moving to Java 25 for Eclipse 2026-03 + - Eclipse Platform is only allowed to move to new LTS one release after SimRel + - Java 25 would be most interesting for Platform / SWT (due to FFM) + - Unclear what to do if situation is the same in 3 months +- Proposal + - Do not allow SimRel participants to move to Java 25 for the Eclipse 2026-03 release + - Reevaluate the situation in February/March to see if Windows on ARM support needs to be dropped for 2026-06 or whether Java 25 will not be allowed for 2026-06 as well + - In case SimRel participants will be allowed to move to Java 25 for the 2026-06 release, the Platform (including SWT) will be as well + - The proposal will be posted in the according issue https://github.com/eclipse-simrel/.github/issues/75 + - All planning council members are given the chance to veto on this until Tuesday, 9th December 2025 + - In case there is not veto, the planning council (chair) sends the decision to the SimRel mailing list +- Everyone is encouraged to reach out to people involved into Windows on ARM support for Java 25 to clarify if/how/when the issue will be resolved + + +## Next Meeting + +Next meeting will be on January 7th, 2026.